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This will work with Linn DS/DSM products running Davaar23 firmware. This can be updated using the '''Konfig''' software.
 
This will work with Linn DS/DSM products running Davaar23 firmware. This can be updated using the '''Konfig''' software.
To create and add Tidal tracks to a Linn DS/DSM playlist you require Kazoo UI version 4.3.653 or higher.
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To create and add Tidal tracks to a Linn DS/DSM playlist, you require Linn App version 4.4.9 or higher.
  
Tidal is supported in countries listed [https://tidalsupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202052531-HiFi-Partner-country-availability HERE] on the Tidal website
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;Tidal is supported in countries listed [https://tidalsupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202052531-HiFi-Partner-country-availability HERE] on the Tidal website
  
The Tidal is broadcast from the Internet straight to the Linn DS/DSM. This means that the control point does not need to be powered on.
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;TIdal control is ONLY available for media selection on the [[Linn_App_Manual |<u>Linn App </u>]]. (April 2024 - Tidal have removed support for the Kazoo application on all platforms.)
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;The Tidal is broadcast from the Internet straight to the Linn DS/DSM. This means that the control point does not need to be powered on.
  
 
===Enable service===
 
===Enable service===
::This option can be added/removed from the Kazoo selection / Linn App Browse options by:
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::This option can be added/removed from the [[Linn_App_Manual|<u>Linn App</u>]] Browse options by:
::In <u>[[Konfig]]</u>:
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:::# Go into Konfig and select your Linn DS/DSM
 
:::# Go into <u>Streaming Services</u>
 
:::# Under <b>TIdal</b> ENABLE/DISABLE this Service
 
::::#You may also change the <i><b>Master Audio quality</b></i> that the Linn DS/DSM receives from Tidal in the setup tab.
 
:::# Complete
 
<br>
 
 
::In <u>[[Manage Systems]]</u>
 
::In <u>[[Manage Systems]]</u>
:::# on main web page select your Linn DS/DSM
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:::1 on main web page, select your Linn DS/DSM
:::# Click in the <b>MUSIC</b> tab
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:::2 Click in the <b>MUSIC</b> tab
:::# Under  <b>TIdal</b> ENABLE/DISABLE this Service
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:::3 Under  <b>TIdal</b> ENABLE/DISABLE this Service
::::#You may also change the <i><b>Audio quality</b></i> that the Linn DS/DSM receives from Tidal in the setup tab.
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::::3a You may also change the <i><b>Audio quality</b></i> that the Linn DS/DSM receives from Tidal in the setup tab.
:::# Complete
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:::4 Complete
  
=== Tidal 90day free voucher ===
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=== Tidal 30day free voucher ===
 
:Note: This trial is only available to '''''new''''' Tidal subscribers.
 
:Note: This trial is only available to '''''new''''' Tidal subscribers.
:You can get a free 90day trial voucher from Linn by:
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:You can get a free 30day trial voucher from Linn by:
:# Open up Kazoo UI and select the '''"Settings"'''
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:# Open up Linn App and select the '''"Settings"'''
 
:# Within Settings page select the '''"Register your Linn Products"'''
 
:# Within Settings page select the '''"Register your Linn Products"'''
 
:# After you enter you details you will receive (in your email) a voucher
 
:# After you enter you details you will receive (in your email) a voucher
 
:# Go to [http://www.tidalhifi.com www.tidalhifi.com] in your browser
 
:# Go to [http://www.tidalhifi.com www.tidalhifi.com] in your browser
 
:# Below the '''"Try Now"''' click on the '''"Do you have a voucher?"''' text. Enter your voucher number "Continue" with the screen instructions.
 
:# Below the '''"Try Now"''' click on the '''"Do you have a voucher?"''' text. Enter your voucher number "Continue" with the screen instructions.
:# When you have a Password, enter your Email and password into the Kazoo Tidal request window. This will open the your selection window. Use this like a UPnP Media and add the Music on the Playlist in the same manner.
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:# When you have a Password, enter your Email and password into the Linn App Tidal request window. This will open the your selection window. Use this like a UPnP Media and add the Music on the Playlist in the same manner.
  
 
Music on the Playlist can be Tidal Music mixed with local UPnP Media server music. That is, the Music can be local music and Tidal music in your Playlist
 
Music on the Playlist can be Tidal Music mixed with local UPnP Media server music. That is, the Music can be local music and Tidal music in your Playlist
  
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=== Does the Linn DS/DSM support <b>HiRes FLAC</b>, ⁣<b>Dolby Atmos</b>, <b>Sony 360 Reality Audio</b>, FLAC, Master Quality Authenticated (MQA)===
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====Hi-Res FLAC====
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:This is supported in Linn DS firmware, [[ReleaseNotes#Davaar_103_Build_516_.284.103.516.29_Released_on_13_November_2023Click_to_view_more..|<u>Davaar 103 - 13th November 2023 onwards</u>]] up to 192K 24bit FLAC.
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:From the 15th November 2023, Tidal will start streaming in Hi-Res FLAC, which is supported with a Linn DS/DSM running Davaar 103 or later firmware.
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:You will also have to check the Manage system setting for Music > Tidal is set for  <b>Hi-Res (up to 192k 24bit)</b> :
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[[file:LAMS-TIDAL-MUSIC.png|centre| 600px|link=]]
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:<b>Note: Linn App V4.6.9.1 and earlier may still state <big>CD</big> against a track, but will play back in Hi-Res. This is a bug which will be fixed in the next release of Linn App.</b>
  
=== Does the Linn DS/DSM do Tidal Master streaming ===
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{{:Tidal:Core1-HiRes}}
No, Tidal Masters use an <span class="plainlinks">[https://www.linn.co.uk/blog/mqa-is-bad-for-music  <u>"MQA" </u>]codec </span>which the Linn DS/DSM does not support. Any Tidal Masters will play as standard CD quality audio.
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====MQA, Dolby Atmos, Sony 360 Reality Audio====
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: No, Linn DS/DSM does not support any of these codecs, but if you have a MAX Tidal subscription any Tidal Masters will play as Hi-Res FLAC quality audio.<br>
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<br><br>
  
 
=== Tidal streaming issues ===
 
=== Tidal streaming issues ===
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====Tidal keeps rejecting my Login on Kazoo/Linn App====
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====Tidal keeps rejecting my Login on Linn App and reports "<i>something went wrong. Please try again. If error assist....</i>"====
Due to recent Tidal security changes, Sept/Oct 2020, Tidal requires to be login into a new Server. <br>
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{{:Tidal:Kazoo App}}
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Otherwise, due to recent Tidal security changes, Sept/Oct 2020, Tidal requires to be login into a new Server. <br>
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:* You need to be using the [[Linn_App_Manual|<u><b>Linn App</b></u>]] to log into Tidal.
 
:* This has been implemented in the Linn DS/DSM firmware/Software - [[Beta:DsDavaar80:Release_Notes|Davaar80]].  
 
:* This has been implemented in the Linn DS/DSM firmware/Software - [[Beta:DsDavaar80:Release_Notes|Davaar80]].  
 
::> You can check the version of Davaar software on the Linn DS/DSM using either the <i>HELP</i> or <b><i>#</i></b> on the <u>[[Linn_DS/DSM_control#IR_Handsets |IR handset]]</u> (SW value should be <b>4.80.389</b> or higher)
 
::> You can check the version of Davaar software on the Linn DS/DSM using either the <i>HELP</i> or <b><i>#</i></b> on the <u>[[Linn_DS/DSM_control#IR_Handsets |IR handset]]</u> (SW value should be <b>4.80.389</b> or higher)
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:* If you have a Selekt DSM, Series3-301 or a new Majik DSM you can also do this firmware update using the [[Linn_App_Manual |<u>Linn App</u> (iPad/iPhone ONLY)]]
 
:* If you have a Selekt DSM, Series3-301 or a new Majik DSM you can also do this firmware update using the [[Linn_App_Manual |<u>Linn App</u> (iPad/iPhone ONLY)]]
 
<br>
 
<br>
:* You need to be using the latest versions of Linn App or Kazoo App;
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:* You need to be using the latest versions of Linn App;
::* Kazoo App v4.13.74 or higher
 
 
::* Linn App v4.2.18+
 
::* Linn App v4.2.18+
  
  
 
<u>If you are still having issues logging in:</u>
 
<u>If you are still having issues logging in:</u>
:# Power cycle the Linn DS/DSM. That is, remove mains power for 10seconds and re-apply mains power.  
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:# Power cycle the Linn DS/DSM. That is, remove mains power for 10 seconds and re-apply mains power.  
:#.Quit the Kazoo/Linn App and restart it
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:#.Quit the Linn App and restart it
:# Now try logging into Tidal. This will now show the official Tidal login screen offering email/Username, Facebook or Apple logins. If it does not show these login options then you are using an old version of Kazoo/Linn App and these Apps must be updated.
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:# Now try logging into Tidal. This will now show the official Tidal login screen offering email/Username, Facebook or Apple logins. If it does not show these login options then you are using any old version of Linn App and this App must be updated.
 
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Check <span class="plainlinks"><u>[https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-us/articles/115003662825-Subscription-Types Tidal Subscription types]</u></span> and <span class="plainlinks"><u>[https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-us/articles/201623252-How-Many-Devices-Can-I-Use-Simultaneously- simultaneous streaming]</u></span>
 
Check <span class="plainlinks"><u>[https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-us/articles/115003662825-Subscription-Types Tidal Subscription types]</u></span> and <span class="plainlinks"><u>[https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-us/articles/201623252-How-Many-Devices-Can-I-Use-Simultaneously- simultaneous streaming]</u></span>
  
If you are playing different Tidal tracks on multiple Linn DS/DSM and Kustom DSM Streamers you will usually find that this will only Play one track and Stop. You need to have a Family account and assign each Linn DS/DSM its own Tidal account.
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If you are playing different Tidal tracks on multiple Linn DS/DSM and Kustom DSM Streamers, you will usually find that this will only Play one track and Stop. You need to have a Family account and assign each Linn DS/DSM its own Tidal account.
 
<br><br>
 
<br><br>
  
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Either the Tidal service or Linn’s voucher codes are not yet supported in the user’s country.  User should contact [mailto:support@tidalhifi.com '''support@tidalhifi.com'''] for more details
 
Either the Tidal service or Linn’s voucher codes are not yet supported in the user’s country.  User should contact [mailto:support@tidalhifi.com '''support@tidalhifi.com'''] for more details
 
<br><br>
 
<br><br>
====In Kazoo UI the login screen icon just keeps spinning ====
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Try power cycling the Linn DS/DSM then reselecting the Tidal box in Kazoo UI<br>
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====Linn App does not show the Tidal option====
If you are using a BT Home hub5 check that Smart Setup is turned OFF
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Check that you are using Linn App UI V4.4.9 or higher.
<br><br>
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Check, via Manage Systems, that the <b>Playlist</b> source is visible.
====Kazoo UI does not show the Tidal option====
 
Check that you are using Kazoo UI V4.3.653 or higher.
 
Check, via Konfig, that the Playlist source is visible.
 
 
<br><br>
 
<br><br>
====On Kazoo UI a red message stating '''"Connection failed"'''====
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====On Linn App, a red message stating '''"Connection failed"'''====
This can be the Linn DS may not have internet access or the Tidel Music server is offline. <br>
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This can be the Linn DS may not have internet access or the Tidal Music server is offline. <br>
 
Press the Logout button, then try to Login again. This will normally fix the issue. If doesn't check:
 
Press the Logout button, then try to Login again. This will normally fix the issue. If doesn't check:
 
:# If you are using a BT Home hub5 check that Smart Setup is turned OFF
 
:# If you are using a BT Home hub5 check that Smart Setup is turned OFF
 
:# On the Linn DS select the Radio input and check that you can get internet Radio from this input. This will tell you if your DS has internet access.
 
:# On the Linn DS select the Radio input and check that you can get internet Radio from this input. This will tell you if your DS has internet access.
 
:# Try power cycling the Linn DS/DSM then retry selecting Tidal Music selection.
 
:# Try power cycling the Linn DS/DSM then retry selecting Tidal Music selection.
If points 1 or 2 do not make any difference please contact [mailto:support@tidalhifi.com '''support@tidalhifi.com''']
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If points 1 or 2 do not make any difference, please contact [mailto:support@tidalhifi.com '''support@tidalhifi.com''']
 
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====Music from Tidal is dropping out====
 
====Music from Tidal is dropping out====
 
It may also be due to your Network Router connecting you to a distant Tidal server. Check that the Router DNS settings are set for [https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using Google public DNS]<br><br>
 
It may also be due to your Network Router connecting you to a distant Tidal server. Check that the Router DNS settings are set for [https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using Google public DNS]<br><br>
  
Music from Tidal is CD quality, audio drop out can be caused by your internet/broadband struggling with the high bandwidth data/Music stream, (especially during holiday period, or certain times of the day the internet can be very busy with kids games, iTunes streaming, Businesses, etc within your local area, (or household)).
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Music from Tidal can be Hi-Res quality, audio drop out can be caused by your internet/broadband struggling with the high bandwidth data/Music stream, (especially during holiday period, or certain times of the day the internet can be very busy with kids games, iTunes streaming, Businesses, etc within your local area, (or household)).
  
By default the Linn DS/DSM gets CD quality audio from Tidal. If the drop out are frequent you can
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By default, the Linn DS/DSM gets <B>CD</b> quality audio from Tidal. If the drop out are frequent, you can
:# Go into '''Konfig > Your DS/DSM > Tidal''' and
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:# Go into '''Manage Systems > Your DS/DSM & the Music Tab"
:# change the Audio Quality from '''“Lossless(FLAC)”''' to '''“High (AAC 320K)”''' or '''“Low (AAC 96k)”'''.  
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:# Within the Music tab you will find Tidal, that you can enable/disable and an Audio quality option.
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:# Change the Audio Quality from '''“Hi-Res (up to 192Khz, 24bit)''', ''''Lossless(FLAC)”''' to '''“High (AAC 320K)”''' or '''“Low (AAC 96k)”'''.  
 
This will allow you to listen to Tidal Radio until your internet/broadband can cope with the higher data rates. (This Audio quality is changed when the next track starts)
 
This will allow you to listen to Tidal Radio until your internet/broadband can cope with the higher data rates. (This Audio quality is changed when the next track starts)
  
 
Note: if you are using Airplay this will typically use the '''High (AAC 320K)''' stream.
 
Note: if you are using Airplay this will typically use the '''High (AAC 320K)''' stream.
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<!--<font style="color:red">However, Tidal Hi-Res streams are very computationally intensive. Our [[CORE1|<u>earlier products</u>]] will struggle decoding and playing back these Hi-Res files. Until Tidal can address this intense stream, we advise you to reduce the maximum supported sample rate for products to something that does work with your Music.</font>--->
 
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Latest revision as of 06:57, 29 April 2024

This will work with Linn DS/DSM products running Davaar23 firmware. This can be updated using the Konfig software. To create and add Tidal tracks to a Linn DS/DSM playlist, you require Linn App version 4.4.9 or higher.

Tidal is supported in countries listed HERE on the Tidal website
TIdal control is ONLY available for media selection on the Linn App . (April 2024 - Tidal have removed support for the Kazoo application on all platforms.)
The Tidal is broadcast from the Internet straight to the Linn DS/DSM. This means that the control point does not need to be powered on.

Enable service

This option can be added/removed from the Linn App Browse options by:
In Manage Systems
1 on main web page, select your Linn DS/DSM
2 Click in the MUSIC tab
3 Under TIdal ENABLE/DISABLE this Service
3a You may also change the Audio quality that the Linn DS/DSM receives from Tidal in the setup tab.
4 Complete

Tidal 30day free voucher

Note: This trial is only available to new Tidal subscribers.
You can get a free 30day trial voucher from Linn by:
  1. Open up Linn App and select the "Settings"
  2. Within Settings page select the "Register your Linn Products"
  3. After you enter you details you will receive (in your email) a voucher
  4. Go to www.tidalhifi.com in your browser
  5. Below the "Try Now" click on the "Do you have a voucher?" text. Enter your voucher number "Continue" with the screen instructions.
  6. When you have a Password, enter your Email and password into the Linn App Tidal request window. This will open the your selection window. Use this like a UPnP Media and add the Music on the Playlist in the same manner.

Music on the Playlist can be Tidal Music mixed with local UPnP Media server music. That is, the Music can be local music and Tidal music in your Playlist

Does the Linn DS/DSM support HiRes FLAC, ⁣Dolby Atmos, Sony 360 Reality Audio, FLAC, Master Quality Authenticated (MQA)

Hi-Res FLAC

This is supported in Linn DS firmware, Davaar 103 - 13th November 2023 onwards up to 192K 24bit FLAC.
From the 15th November 2023, Tidal will start streaming in Hi-Res FLAC, which is supported with a Linn DS/DSM running Davaar 103 or later firmware.
You will also have to check the Manage system setting for Music > Tidal is set for Hi-Res (up to 192k 24bit) :
LAMS-TIDAL-MUSIC.png
Note: Linn App V4.6.9.1 and earlier may still state CD against a track, but will play back in Hi-Res. This is a bug which will be fixed in the next release of Linn App.
However, Tidal Hi-Res streams are very computationally intensive. Our earlier products will struggle decoding and playing back these Hi-Res files. Until Tidal can address this intense stream issue, from Davaar105, these earlier products will have limited sample rate of Hi-Res streams (CD quality and higher).




MQA, Dolby Atmos, Sony 360 Reality Audio

No, Linn DS/DSM does not support any of these codecs, but if you have a MAX Tidal subscription any Tidal Masters will play as Hi-Res FLAC quality audio.



Tidal streaming issues

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Tidal keeps rejecting my Login on Linn App and reports "something went wrong. Please try again. If error assist...."

from April 2023 : Tidal have removed support for the Linn Kazoo application on ALL platforms. We recommend trying the new Linn app (available on iOS and Android)
Otherwise, due to recent Tidal security changes, Sept/Oct 2020, Tidal requires to be login into a new Server.

  • You need to be using the Linn App to log into Tidal.
  • This has been implemented in the Linn DS/DSM firmware/Software - Davaar80.
> You can check the version of Davaar software on the Linn DS/DSM using either the HELP or # on the IR handset (SW value should be 4.80.389 or higher)
  • Davaar 80 can be done using the Konfig App or speak to your Linn dealer to perform this action.
  • If you have a Selekt DSM, Series3-301 or a new Majik DSM you can also do this firmware update using the Linn App (iPad/iPhone ONLY)


  • You need to be using the latest versions of Linn App;
  • Linn App v4.2.18+


If you are still having issues logging in:

  1. Power cycle the Linn DS/DSM. That is, remove mains power for 10 seconds and re-apply mains power.
  2. .Quit the Linn App and restart it
  3. Now try logging into Tidal. This will now show the official Tidal login screen offering email/Username, Facebook or Apple logins. If it does not show these login options then you are using any old version of Linn App and this App must be updated.



I can only play Tidal on one of my Linn DS/DSM's

Check which Tidal Streaming account you have, It is only the Family account that allow multiple LInn DS/DSM to play different Tidal streams at the same time. Check Tidal Subscription types and simultaneous streaming

If you are playing different Tidal tracks on multiple Linn DS/DSM and Kustom DSM Streamers, you will usually find that this will only Play one track and Stop. You need to have a Family account and assign each Linn DS/DSM its own Tidal account.

Setting up a Tidal account, I get an error “Sorry, no flowId is set up…”.

Either the Tidal service or Linn’s voucher codes are not yet supported in the user’s country. User should contact support@tidalhifi.com for more details

Linn App does not show the Tidal option

Check that you are using Linn App UI V4.4.9 or higher. Check, via Manage Systems, that the Playlist source is visible.

On Linn App, a red message stating "Connection failed"

This can be the Linn DS may not have internet access or the Tidal Music server is offline.
Press the Logout button, then try to Login again. This will normally fix the issue. If doesn't check:

  1. If you are using a BT Home hub5 check that Smart Setup is turned OFF
  2. On the Linn DS select the Radio input and check that you can get internet Radio from this input. This will tell you if your DS has internet access.
  3. Try power cycling the Linn DS/DSM then retry selecting Tidal Music selection.

If points 1 or 2 do not make any difference, please contact support@tidalhifi.com

Music from Tidal is dropping out

It may also be due to your Network Router connecting you to a distant Tidal server. Check that the Router DNS settings are set for Google public DNS

Music from Tidal can be Hi-Res quality, audio drop out can be caused by your internet/broadband struggling with the high bandwidth data/Music stream, (especially during holiday period, or certain times of the day the internet can be very busy with kids games, iTunes streaming, Businesses, etc within your local area, (or household)).

By default, the Linn DS/DSM gets CD quality audio from Tidal. If the drop out are frequent, you can

  1. Go into Manage Systems > Your DS/DSM & the Music Tab"
  2. Within the Music tab you will find Tidal, that you can enable/disable and an Audio quality option.
  3. Change the Audio Quality from “Hi-Res (up to 192Khz, 24bit), 'Lossless(FLAC)” to “High (AAC 320K)” or “Low (AAC 96k)”.

This will allow you to listen to Tidal Radio until your internet/broadband can cope with the higher data rates. (This Audio quality is changed when the next track starts)

Note: if you are using Airplay this will typically use the High (AAC 320K) stream.